Thursday, March 02, 2006

Love that Dog! Discussion Question #1

Post your response to the following discussion question:

Jack says, "If that is a poem about the red wheelbarrow and the white chickens then any words can be a poem. You've just got to make short lines." Do you agree?

Post Guidelines:
1.) Answer the question
2.) Give detailed support.
3.) Extend your answer by discussing other poems you've read, give an example that clarifies your opinion, make a text-to-self, text-to-text, or text-to world connection.

Teacher's Note: We finally had a chance to discuss this assignment and student ideas on Friday. You should be ready to post. Remember to PROOFREAD for errors. Posts from now till the end of the school year will be given both a content & mechanics (language and spelling) grade.

Student Responses Due: Monday, March 6.

26 Comments:

At Monday, March 06, 2006 9:08:00 AM, Blogger Jordyn said...

I disagree with Jack because a poem does not consist of just short lines. A poem consist of these two main things.1.)A poem almost always has rythming end words,like in "Stopping by woods on a snowing evening. 2.)A poem consists of meaning like happy,sad and so on.You see a poem does not just short lines.

 
At Monday, March 06, 2006 9:20:00 AM, Blogger Jacob T. said...

No because there were four words' in each stanza.Four stanzas' in the poem.And in the second line of each stanza there was one word.The writer of the poem must of had to take some time to think of this poem.One of my connections' are once I had to make a poem it was very hard.In a real-life situation if you are a poet.My last connection is text to text in a poem book I checked out it had the same criteria as thus poem but it was five words.

 
At Monday, March 06, 2006 9:20:00 AM, Blogger Rachel L. said...

No, I don't agree. One reason is if you just put any words into a poem, it may not make sense. Another reason that I don't agree with Jack's statement is you don't always have to make short lines in a poem. I have read many other poems with long lines and a meaning, not just any words thrown into it. The poem abouut the red wheelbarrow and the white chickens relates to the poem "roses are red, violets are blue, I just wanted you to know that I love you" because it actually has a meaning, not just any words put together.

 
At Monday, March 06, 2006 9:22:00 AM, Blogger Leah said...

No, I do not agree with Jack because the mental picture is what makes it a poem. Not everyone can can make a mental picture and why that picture is so important in 16 words. Not everybody thinks about a wheelbarrows and white chickens being so important they know it just don't relize it. I go to a farm a lot and they use wheelbarrows and chickens a lot. Everybody uses wheelbarrows weather it's gardning or farming. Chickens are used for thier eggs and meat for poeple to eat. For this poem (like most poems) you need to read between the lines.

 
At Monday, March 06, 2006 9:36:00 AM, Blogger Cecilie said...

No I don't agree with Jack because the poem has to make sense and have stanzas too. I know this because I used text to text. My text to text is that in other poems they had stanzas,but it doesn't matter how many lines and stanzas in the poem. It has to make sense once you read it slowley and out loud with expression it should make sense. For example,Today computer right
Window write cough
Morning lion court

Peeking corage tonight
America light climb
School life home.
This does't realy make sense but you can interpret some lines. Like Today coputer right=the coputers right(it's working), Peeking courage tonight= My courage is showing tonight,America light climb= The lights in America get brighter (grows),and School life home=I go to school, live my life, and go home jurn the week. But they all don't go under the cadigore. And that is why I disagree with Jack.

 
At Monday, March 06, 2006 11:41:00 AM, Blogger Chris said...

I do not agree with Jack because most poems rhyme, and have personifacation in it.But,not all poems have to rhyme,or have personifacation in it.Sometimes poems have meanings like the poem
the red wheelbarrow.If you don't have the wheelbarrow it would make it harder to carry,and if you don't have the white chickens' eggs to sell or eat.

 
At Monday, March 06, 2006 4:40:00 PM, Blogger Hanna 31 said...

I disagree because not any words can be a poem. A poem is harder to write then it seemsd.It contains two special parts.Such as 1)It has a mood like happy, sad, mad, and energetic.2)A mental picture that paints a picture in your head.A poem does not just have short lines.I can make a Text-Self connection because I too use to think poems were short lines and any words could be poem like Jack.Then I realized that it has to have a meaning.

 
At Monday, March 06, 2006 4:59:00 PM, Blogger Alex L. said...

No,I don't agree with Jack because poems need structure,meaning,and rhythm,not just short lines.Also alot of poems have alliteration, metaphores,and onomotapoeia.My first connection is text-to-self.I tried to write a poem for fun and my poem had meaning,and onomotapoeia in it,not just short lines.My second connection is text-to-text.


LOST!
"I cannot find my basket ball,
I cannot find my locker,
I cannot find my homework,
Witch is really quite a shocker."

This poem has a ryhme scheme (a,b,c,b),and a meaning.
See all poems don't just have short lines.

 
At Monday, March 06, 2006 5:55:00 PM, Blogger Tori said...

I do agree that you can make a poem by putting short lines together. In the story Love ThatDog there was a poem and it only had 4 short lines and it did not sound like a poem. Once you think about it you understand it more. When you read it you hear something like so mutch depends on a read weel barow and some chickens. When you think about it you hear somthing like you cant have a good farm with out a weelbarow and some chickens. In the end it is still short lines put together. My opinion is that it is a good poem and if you had a farm it can be usefull and true. I have read a poem called "sharing" by Shel Silverstein and it is verry short. When I though about the poem sharing I understood it more just like the poem in I That Dog. In conclution I think that you can put short lines together and make a poem.

 
At Monday, March 06, 2006 5:58:00 PM, Blogger Raquel said...

No, I don't agree with Jack because poems have a lot more things. Poems have stanzas, lines, organization, and a meaning. In the book it says that Jack made a poem about a blue car. It had no meaning. how does so much depend upon a car with mud on it that is speeding down the road?!?! That makes no sense! In the book, it says that thereis another poem called "Stopping By Woods On A Snowy Evening." This poem is organized and has a meaning like "The Red Wheelbarrow" but does not have short lines. It has long lines. That is why I don't agree with Jack.

 
At Monday, March 06, 2006 5:59:00 PM, Blogger Drew said...

No, I do not agree that short lines make a poem. Poems usually rhyme and make sense. The poem "The Red Wheelbarrow" does not rhyme and doesn't make sense to me. It's hard to understand because it doesn't use capitalization and only one period for punctuation. The poem also doesn't have a lot of detail because it only has 16 words. I know farmers use a wheelbarrow and need rain, but longer lines with more detail would help people understand it better.

 
At Monday, March 06, 2006 6:39:00 PM, Blogger Mrs. Perry said...

It looks like everyone so far has some interesting and different points of view. I like how students are bringing in their own experiences and really thinking about what they are writing. Perhaps we will extend our understanding of poetry as we read our novel and other poems.

 
At Monday, March 06, 2006 6:42:00 PM, Blogger Mrs. Perry said...

Hanna 31 - Wow! What a well thought out post!

 
At Monday, March 06, 2006 7:31:00 PM, Blogger Audrey said...

I don't agree with Jack. Can this be a poem "Stanza happy emotional depended mad sad?" Not all words can make a poem. Not all poems have short lines. Some have really long lines like The Charge of the Light Brigade.All poems should make some kind of sense.

 
At Monday, March 06, 2006 7:34:00 PM, Blogger Rachel W. said...

I agree, because not all poems ryhme. Some poems, like Haiku don't ryhme at all, and like the Red Wheelbarrow, it means alot. I bet Jack probably woudn't understand it though. Jack also says "Any words can be a poem. You've just got to make short lines." To me, this means a poem dosen't have to ryhme to be a poem, it just has to have flow, rythm, meaning, and is meant to make you feel something.

 
At Monday, March 06, 2006 7:53:00 PM, Blogger Elizabeth said...

I do not agree with Jack because poems can have long lines. Poems can have short lines, just like Jack said. To me, poems should have:
1) The first line should be capitalized.
2) There is only one .,!,&? at the end of each stanza. Also, each line should have a comma at the end.
3) There can be one or more words, stanzas, and lines.
4) The most important point (to me) is that the author includes a message that makes the reader interpret.

 
At Monday, March 06, 2006 8:06:00 PM, Blogger Naomi said...

No,I do not agree with Jack because there must be at least some structure. If it is a haiku type of poem it needs to have a lot of structure,but if it is a modern type of poem it might not require as much structure. Most poems will have a purpose or a reason that ties them together.

The apple poem was funny and interesting. It was like nothing I had ever read before! It had LOTS of repetition. It was as though you were eating your way through an apple. Its sentence structure even created an apple shape. It also had LOTS of onomatopoeia. The poet wanted to explain what he thought of apples.

At one time I thought poems were just as easy as 1,2,3 but later I realized they take a lot of thinking and persistence. That is why I do not agree with Jack.

 
At Monday, March 06, 2006 9:03:00 PM, Blogger Brandon said...

I don't agree with Jack because most poems have either rhymes, personification, metaphor, onomatopoeia, or alliteration. Even the wheelbarrow and chicken poem has a meaning, so it doesn't just have short lines. Poems have to have some kind of structure. Jack just didn't analize the poem, he just read it. But we analized it and their was a lot of different things besides short lines. That is my opinion of what jack said.

 
At Monday, March 06, 2006 9:19:00 PM, Blogger Eric said...

No i don't agree with Jack because even though the poem The Red Wheelbarrow has short lines it sends a big message, so I thinkit can have short lines, but it should be funny,rhyme, or send a big message,and teach people a lesson.

 
At Tuesday, March 07, 2006 9:31:00 AM, Blogger Chelsea said...

Yes I agree with Jack, because most poems are short and have short lines.

Also because some authors don't like long poems so they don't write long poems.Also because some poems are short and to the point, or a mystory to find out what they mean.

Also because some authors like to be anomous(in what they write, so it confuses some people).I also agree because, if you make long enough, it might look like a story.

Thats why I agree with Jack.

 
At Tuesday, March 07, 2006 1:00:00 PM, Blogger Zac said...

I don't agree with Jack because a poem doesn't always just have short lines.Sometimes they have a rhyme scheme ,or they have meanings behind the lines.I don't think Jack understood the the Red Wheelbarrow that much.

 
At Tuesday, March 07, 2006 1:04:00 PM, Blogger Hannah 18 said...

No I don't agree with Jack. Just becuase something has short lines doesn't mean it's a poem. You can have something with short lines and it could just be a bunch of sentence fragments. There are poems like Stopping by Woods on a Snowy Evening that don't have short lines at all but they're still poems. Also just because something has long lines doesn't mean it's not a poem. Poems consist of 3 main things 1)Poems have subjects 2)Poems have rhyme scemes 3) poems have points. This is why I disagree with Jack

 
At Tuesday, March 07, 2006 1:04:00 PM, Blogger Hannah 18 said...

No I don't agree with Jack. Just becuase something has short lines doesn't mean it's a poem. You can have something with short lines and it could just be a bunch of sentence fragments. There are poems like Stopping by Woods on a Snowy Evening that don't have short lines at all but they're still poems. Also just because something has long lines doesn't mean it's not a poem. Poems consist of 3 main things 1)Poems have subjects 2)Poems have rhyme scemes 3) poems have points. This is why I disagree with Jack

 
At Tuesday, March 07, 2006 1:06:00 PM, Blogger Alex C said...

No I don't agree with Jack. In that poem there is a detailed message behind these "short lines". If you didn't have the wheelbarrow it would be alot harder to move stuff like the grain for the chikens. You can sell the chiken's eggs or eat them same with the chikens. Without my cloths in the Winter I would freeze. Without my dad's job we couldn't aford anything. In the book the Ox Cart Man one thing depnds on another.A poem has a meaning and paits a pictur in your mind.You just have to read between lines.

 
At Tuesday, March 07, 2006 2:07:00 PM, Blogger Miranda said...

No I don't agree because not all poem have just any words.Like Jesica Jean that peom doesn't use just a ny words it uses alituration but theirs not just alerturation their is onimatopia and personifaction.All those don't just use any words. that is why I disagree.

 
At Wednesday, March 08, 2006 3:38:00 PM, Blogger Samantha said...

No I don't agree with Jack. The reason I say this is because if you can't make a mental picture, you should know that it is not considered a poem. There also has to be meaning to it. With 16 words, you can't really make a mental picture. Not everybody knows that wheelbarrows and chickens are important on a farm when they actually are. Wheelbarrows are used for carrying things place to place. Chickens are used for their eggs and their meat. For this poem (like most poems) you've just have to read between the lines.

 

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